Gareth Cliff’s going to hell, I’ll see him there

Filed Under (Random Note) by Nic on 07-12-2007

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I cannot actually believe that I need to blog about this story, but I do.

I just read this article, here’s a snippet and then I’ll continue:

Not my cup of tea. I am sorry to say that my estimation of Gareth Cliff has been lowered, for what it’s worth, not for his views on religion - I am not surprised by uninformed and shallow approaches to a Universe filled with mystery! That happens every day! I am disappointed in the manner in which he dealt with this issue, and the ordinary listener who expressed her opinion in relation to his. Clearly he was dismissive of her, yet he wanted to have the right to have his opinion heard without challenge!

The irony of this comment is that Dion (the author) is doing precisely what he criticises Cliff for doing; being dismissive. What a load of rubbish.

I have openly stated before that I am an atheist and have no issue with that. I am not ignorant, uninformed of shallow. In fact, I am well versed in christianity and have gone out of my way to educate myself. Why is it that in the eyes of a christian, any form of altering opinion is blasphemous and tantamount to condemning yourself to “hell”.

Get real, freedom of speech is the answer here and Cliff said and did nothing that should be considered bad. So he aired his views, would christians be pissed off he said god was great? If he said that christians were right? No, they wouldn’t because it would agree with their view on the world. Obviously they are upset because his opinion is different to theirs. Simple.

There is really no reason for them to send in hate mail and tell him that they are praying for something to happen to him to convert him to god. Please.

So if Cliff is going to hell then so am I. We need to get over this religious elitism in the same way that we have overcome apartheid.

Another post to read: Sarah Britten.

Atheism and Christianity - someone needs to be right

Filed Under (Uncategorized) by Nic on 11-10-2007

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I have been very cautious about bloging on this topic. The reasons are obvious. But I feel that it is time.

It is no secret that I am an Atheist. Anyone who reads this blog will know that and I have no problem with others knowing it either. It is not something that I am ashamed of, as much of society dictates people in my position need to feel.

I have been reading Jarred Cinman’s blog on ThoughtLeader recently and he has made some great arguments on the topic, see “Why atheists are just plain right“.

My stance on religion (or lack thereof) comes under fire on a daily basis just about. I have no problem with this as I enjoy the topic and enjoy rational, reasonable debate around the topic.

Note my use of the words rational and reasonable. There are some arguments that I will never accept as final from a christian; “Just have faith” is one of them and, “I simply believe” is another. Let me put it to you this way, I don’t have faith and I don’t believe. That is that.

In the same way, I want to express something to those that challenge atheism and feel that we are wrong: We (atheists and christians) suffer from basic but opposite assumptions, I believe there is no god, you believe there is. At the end of the day this is where the argument starts and this is where it will always end. We do not believe the same thing. Simple.

In my mind there is a very obvious reason for the raging debate however and this is where my post really starts. The reason is this:

By the very nature that christians believe in the bible - which states that you need preach the word of god - they must innately believe that anyone who does not believe in the bible or Jesus or god is wrong. That’s me. I’m wrong.

Now I am taking a very scientific and analytical stance here. When I argue, I argue by asking what the difference is between my “wrongness” and how I perceive your beliefs to be “wrong”? There is no difference. Christians ask me to disprove the existence of their god, I ask them to prove it to me. They ask me to disprove heaven and I ask them to prove hell. There is no solution here.

Yet without a solution we are lost. Why? Because one of us are wrong according to our belief systems.

I am not going to continue providing examples, explanations and justifications as I think this is a very circular argument that will ultimately take us back to the starting point of differing belief systems. But why, why must I be wrong? Take a second and think, is it possible, for a split second, that you could be wrong?

Facing the family when your an Atheist

Filed Under (Uncategorized) by Nic on 19-09-2007

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Religion doesn’t often feature on this blog, I am always very undecided about how people will receive my opinions on the topic.

I battle enough getting people to buy in to my views on SA that religion is a fight I am not ready to have with most people. I say this because many people (mainly christians) are not willing to dicuss the matter rationally with me but instead choose to condemn me to an eternal hell.

Just like this mom:


WOW this is one scary mother, literally. My mom is much more understanding about my religious choices or lack thereof.