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	<title>Comments on: Who&#8217;s who in the racial online zoo?</title>
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		<title>By: khathutshelo</title>
		<link>http://nicharalambous.com/2008/06/03/whos-who-in-the-racial-online-zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-8532</link>
		<dc:creator>khathutshelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also feel that the &quot;Web 2.0&quot; craze should not be about race. According to the government I am &quot;black&quot;, but I do not think that BEE should be allowed to soil our industry.

I have been building online communities since my stint at UCT and when I came to Wits things just got better. The truth is, my team and I managed put together a good site although we failed dismally when it came to the marketing, we still put on a good show for the Wits populace.

Why cant we leave race out of this, if a site rocks it rocks..we have got a common enemy; bandwidth, so lets get coding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also feel that the &#8220;Web 2.0&#8243; craze should not be about race. According to the government I am &#8220;black&#8221;, but I do not think that BEE should be allowed to soil our industry.</p>
<p>I have been building online communities since my stint at UCT and when I came to Wits things just got better. The truth is, my team and I managed put together a good site although we failed dismally when it came to the marketing, we still put on a good show for the Wits populace.</p>
<p>Why cant we leave race out of this, if a site rocks it rocks..we have got a common enemy; bandwidth, so lets get coding.</p>
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		<title>By: RedHerring</title>
		<link>http://nicharalambous.com/2008/06/03/whos-who-in-the-racial-online-zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-8530</link>
		<dc:creator>RedHerring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, I hate even referring to anyone by socially-constructed lables.  

However, &quot;whites&quot; (as defined by the NP years ago) need to lay low and let the shit blow over when this kinda thing happens. It&#039;s the only way. There&#039;s absolutely nothing you can say to allegations allegations in the era we live in today. There&#039;s no use being indignant about it. The reason the playing field is tilted is because Krokodil tilted it with his draconian policies, and white people still benefit from it. There&#039;s no getting around it. 

One day, white people will have a foot to stand on in these debates. But right now, just be suitably contrite. Then just carry on like you did before. 

Hopefully our children won&#039;t have to do the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, I hate even referring to anyone by socially-constructed lables.  </p>
<p>However, &#8220;whites&#8221; (as defined by the NP years ago) need to lay low and let the shit blow over when this kinda thing happens. It&#8217;s the only way. There&#8217;s absolutely nothing you can say to allegations allegations in the era we live in today. There&#8217;s no use being indignant about it. The reason the playing field is tilted is because Krokodil tilted it with his draconian policies, and white people still benefit from it. There&#8217;s no getting around it. </p>
<p>One day, white people will have a foot to stand on in these debates. But right now, just be suitably contrite. Then just carry on like you did before. </p>
<p>Hopefully our children won&#8217;t have to do the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramon, that&#039;s fair enough and it&#039;s easy to say that this wasn&#039;t your intention but there are little nuances that imply that race is the issue. The title of your post is racial, not subtly so either. Thus it&#039;s hard to believe that your intentions weren&#039;t racially based.

Plus from what I hear there were a few people of colour who turned down the opportunity to feature in Mandy&#039;s article. 

Furthermore, I am sure that Mandy did choose to ask people for suggestions for the article, just not yourself, and is that such a sin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramon, that&#8217;s fair enough and it&#8217;s easy to say that this wasn&#8217;t your intention but there are little nuances that imply that race is the issue. The title of your post is racial, not subtly so either. Thus it&#8217;s hard to believe that your intentions weren&#8217;t racially based.</p>
<p>Plus from what I hear there were a few people of colour who turned down the opportunity to feature in Mandy&#8217;s article. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I am sure that Mandy did choose to ask people for suggestions for the article, just not yourself, and is that such a sin?</p>
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		<title>By: Ramon Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramon Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nic I was by no means trying to create a box. I was simply putting forward a group of people who could have been interviewed by Mandy De Waal. She knows me personally because we have met before (via &lt;a href=&quot;http://thebigchange.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arthur Goldstuck&lt;/a&gt;). She never asked me if I could recommend someone to be interviewed for her article. The people from ITWeb have interviewed me numerous times for other stories so they all know me as well.

The box that you are talking about has been in existence for a long, long time. The mindset of the black professionals needs to change. I have been advocating the book, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mydigitallife.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2313&amp;Itemid=43&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Capitalist Nigger&lt;/a&gt;, be read for a full appreciation of the challenge that exists to stop complaining and actually get off our asses and do something. So this post of mine was addressed at those people featured more than anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nic I was by no means trying to create a box. I was simply putting forward a group of people who could have been interviewed by Mandy De Waal. She knows me personally because we have met before (via <a href="http://thebigchange.com/" rel="nofollow">Arthur Goldstuck</a>). She never asked me if I could recommend someone to be interviewed for her article. The people from ITWeb have interviewed me numerous times for other stories so they all know me as well.</p>
<p>The box that you are talking about has been in existence for a long, long time. The mindset of the black professionals needs to change. I have been advocating the book, <a href="http://www.mydigitallife.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2313&amp;Itemid=43" rel="nofollow">Capitalist Nigger</a>, be read for a full appreciation of the challenge that exists to stop complaining and actually get off our asses and do something. So this post of mine was addressed at those people featured more than anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nomad-One - well, you are missing my point here. You are disagreeing with me somewhat but still stating that race should be irrelevant, which is exactly what I am saying. It should be about the individual as a person, human being and the work they produce that makes them the best. Not the best white,  black, colored, indian, greek etc etc etc. The best should be the best, all round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nomad-One &#8211; well, you are missing my point here. You are disagreeing with me somewhat but still stating that race should be irrelevant, which is exactly what I am saying. It should be about the individual as a person, human being and the work they produce that makes them the best. Not the best white,  black, colored, indian, greek etc etc etc. The best should be the best, all round.</p>
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		<title>By: On the other hand Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>On the other hand Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I think you&#039;ve hit something interesting here, Nic. 

I thought Mandy did a good job, and as you so rightly point out, she didn&#039;t force the answers. Sure some were left off [thanks for what you said about my post] but that will always happen, regardless of their colour. 

Agree with you, doesn&#039;t need to be looked at from a racial point of view. The best are the best, doesn&#039;t matter what colour they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I think you&#8217;ve hit something interesting here, Nic. </p>
<p>I thought Mandy did a good job, and as you so rightly point out, she didn&#8217;t force the answers. Sure some were left off [thanks for what you said about my post] but that will always happen, regardless of their colour. </p>
<p>Agree with you, doesn&#8217;t need to be looked at from a racial point of view. The best are the best, doesn&#8217;t matter what colour they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Colour me fascist &#124; Paul Jacobson</title>
		<link>http://nicharalambous.com/2008/06/03/whos-who-in-the-racial-online-zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-8510</link>
		<dc:creator>Colour me fascist &#124; Paul Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As Nic pointed out, the purpose of the article was pretty innocuous: The angle of the article was simply an interview and answer process. Certain people who are major players in the online market were asked to name three people who they would want to work with in the online arena. These people did so. Not based on racial innuendos as justifications. These were simply the people who each interviewee wished to work with on a professional level. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As Nic pointed out, the purpose of the article was pretty innocuous: The angle of the article was simply an interview and answer process. Certain people who are major players in the online market were asked to name three people who they would want to work with in the online arena. These people did so. Not based on racial innuendos as justifications. These were simply the people who each interviewee wished to work with on a professional level. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nomad-one</title>
		<link>http://nicharalambous.com/2008/06/03/whos-who-in-the-racial-online-zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-8509</link>
		<dc:creator>nomad-one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you do in relation to the way you look? Not with you 100% Nic. Are you saying the playing field has been leveled or am I misinterpreting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you do in relation to the way you look? Not with you 100% Nic. Are you saying the playing field has been leveled or am I misinterpreting?</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
		<link>http://nicharalambous.com/2008/06/03/whos-who-in-the-racial-online-zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-8508</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nomad-one - &quot;but do you know what it feels like to be treated like you are less based on the way you look.&quot; You said it... my point is that now, it&#039;s not about what you do, but about what you do in relation to the way you look. Your words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nomad-one &#8211; &#8220;but do you know what it feels like to be treated like you are less based on the way you look.&#8221; You said it&#8230; my point is that now, it&#8217;s not about what you do, but about what you do in relation to the way you look. Your words.</p>
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		<title>By: nomad-one</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomad-one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a mixed view, that there are racial issues which do need to be spoken about and delt with, but that the way they are spoken about also has to be focused on.

I don&#039;t however appreciate that many people who have not necessarily experienced discrimination feel the need to criticize those who want to express their experience.

I agree with Rafiq, and those who say action speaks louder than words, but this does not mean we have to shut up and just go about our business. certain elements of racial discriminiation do exist and there is not a shadow of a doubt. If you have not been affected, good for you, but do you know what it feels like to be treated like you are less based on the way you look.

I think discussion and debate is needed, all views have an impact as this is a multi-dimensional issue. Speaking though is also a form of action.

I set up a project called www.one-project.org to look at many of the efforts going on to tackle these issues. I shared my thoughts with quite a few people and tried to get involvement. I can honestly say, it&#039;s not always what you do but who you are that decides whether people will support or endorse you or not.

I wanted to set up a platform similar to tech leader &amp; thought leader to allow regular South Africans from all spheres of society to write about their experience and share idea of how to change things, but I know I can&#039;t do it alone. Anyone want to help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a mixed view, that there are racial issues which do need to be spoken about and delt with, but that the way they are spoken about also has to be focused on.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t however appreciate that many people who have not necessarily experienced discrimination feel the need to criticize those who want to express their experience.</p>
<p>I agree with Rafiq, and those who say action speaks louder than words, but this does not mean we have to shut up and just go about our business. certain elements of racial discriminiation do exist and there is not a shadow of a doubt. If you have not been affected, good for you, but do you know what it feels like to be treated like you are less based on the way you look.</p>
<p>I think discussion and debate is needed, all views have an impact as this is a multi-dimensional issue. Speaking though is also a form of action.</p>
<p>I set up a project called <a href="http://www.one-project.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.one-project.org</a> to look at many of the efforts going on to tackle these issues. I shared my thoughts with quite a few people and tried to get involvement. I can honestly say, it&#8217;s not always what you do but who you are that decides whether people will support or endorse you or not.</p>
<p>I wanted to set up a platform similar to tech leader &amp; thought leader to allow regular South Africans from all spheres of society to write about their experience and share idea of how to change things, but I know I can&#8217;t do it alone. Anyone want to help?</p>
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