I’m done with Derrick Watshisname and the Carte crew. I am honestly disappointed with the quality of their stories. More and more often I am seeing one sided, ill-researched pieces that lack any semblance of coherence. I’m also not sure what Tyler was on about in his post, lauding the piece as decent and fairly accurate. Think I might have caught a different show in a parallel universe on a different tangent to the one Tyler watched.
Their piece on Web 2.0 was horrific. Congratulations to Rafiq and Dave for cracking the nod and showing some sense in a show filled with rambling and jumping from topic to topic.
I followed Twitter throughout the show and there were some interesting responses to it throughout. Jason from Zoopy was insistent that we should take the story from where it comes, ie: old media. Boring argument that means nothing to me.
I work for an “old media” company that is moving forward in leaps and bounds. M&G have been relentless in their new media endeavors and have definitely been heading the web 2. shove in SA.
Carte Blanche, it appears, searched for “blogging” using this new toy they’ve found called “google” or something and came up with two names. Dave and Rafiq were both interviewed and made alot of sense. But what happened to getting more than one side of the story and more than one opinion in a piece? Dave and Rafiq work relatively closely with one another and are both based in CT. Now to the average viewer in SA it appears as if there is only web 2.0 development happening in CT. What about George, JHB, Durban and developers who roam the country? What about innovation on a national level?
Why did they not take a look at the gurus of web 2.0 in SA who are pushing the envelope? Props to Rafiq for doing what he does and Dave for spreading the ideals and concepts to those who don’t know, but I know for a fact that UKZN is also pushing new media as well as Rhodes University. Why not talk to those people too? Why only UCT as an institution.
One twitterer commented: “@rafiq @daveduarte @zoopedup nice one guys…wife still doesn’t get it though LOL ;P”. That reflects bad journalism.
John Webb has done some brilliant stuff with 702 Talk Radio and Carte Blance but this was dismal. The story jumped from web, to Mxit, to Facebook, flashing screenshots of TED conferences, YouTube videos and a host of other irrelevant pictures to look more web 2.0. None of these things were spoken of in the actual story.
Another whopper of a quote from the story: “The pace of change has exceeded our ability to keep up.” What exactly does that mean and who exactly are they referring to?
In essence all that I am saying is that a show like this should never have been broadcast without an actual point. In fact, an explanation of something would’ve been great. There was no definition of what web 1.0 was, never mind what web 2.0 is and where it’s headed.
Pictured in a few of the scenes were Charl Norman and his site BlueWorld. Not a word spoken about the site, its competition with Facebook or a peep from Charl. I wonder if they knew Charl was behind BlueWorld when they filmed him with Rafiq, having coffee?
I’m disappointed but not surprised with the level of their reporting and hope that they read this post (if they’ve learned anything from their own story) and realise that there is a lot more going on out there than two gurus in one city.
Please don’t mistake my post for ranting. I have no value to add to the show that was broadcast so this is not a jealousy thing. It’s a responsible journalism thing.
Again, congratulations to Dave and Rafiq who both deserved their exposure and it’s great to see some exposure around the topic.
See for yourself:






thakadu 6:39 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
Fokjulle, you have a good point, none of us have given you a real definition yet so I will attempt give my own (partial) definition here which is mainly from a technical standpoint.
Firstly, realize though that there is not a “single definitive answer” as Web 2.0 is a fuzzy term and there is no litmus test for “web2.0ness.”
As I said earlier this is a technical answer so here goes:
“Web 2.0″, lets break that term down because this is important. the first part “web”, means we are talking about the web here, not SMS, not cell phones, not IM (There may be some web applications that incorporate these technologies but in general this is not what we are talking about) From a technical stance this means we are talking about applications that make use of the http protocol.
Secondly “2.0″, this indicates a move away from previous tools and technologies to a set of newer and richer ones. These are (in no particular order: CSS, XML, Ajax, JSON, REST, XHTML and a few others. So web 2.0 applications make heavy use of at least some of these technologies (Note that this is not always directly visible to the end user)
Again I must emphasize the fuzziness here because there are many sites that would not be considered 2.0 that may make use of one or more of these technologies.
Another important attribute: Web 2.0 sites in general do not produce their own content. Another way of saying this is that web2.0 sites are “platforms”. (Examples: Delicious, Flickr, Digg, Afrigator, Amatomu, Youtube)
Back-End, Serverside technologies: Again fuzzy but a common trend in web 2.0 applications is the use of Open Source software
and a move away from “enterprise” software (ie away from Java, ASP, Oracle etc to MySQL, Python, PHP and so on)
I would love to be able to give a fuller description as there are many aspects I have left out (e.g. business model as web2.0 is as much about attitude as it is about technical details) but I have already taken up too much of Nic’s blog page here
Finally I would just like to add something about the term “new media”. I see it cropping up a lot when people talk about “web 2.0″. This is unfortunate because “new media” and “web 2.0″ are NOT the same thing.
Please note that this is by no means a complete definition (as there isn’t one) and it is my own definition which may differ significantly from others.
Justin Hartman 6:42 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
fokjulle – I was also going to comment but seeing as Neville just did such a great job I’m going to simplify it somewhat.
The problem with web 2.0, even as a phrase, is that it is so difficult to define. But really it’s all about social media (blogs, etc), user generated content (flickr, youtube) and interaction with the user (voting, ratings, etc).
Web 1.0 was all about what others wanted us to see/read/consume and web 2.0 puts the power back into our hands. We decide what content we want to see and how we want to consume it.
Vincent Maher 6:43 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
Fokjulle, Web 2 is a label for the phenomenon of increasingly rich client applications embedded in the browser, increasingly social behaviour in the creation of content and increasingly open service infrastructures through APIs that use web services, XML or JSON.
Bringing the content to you is just one aspect of it, the rest is about a shift from the Web of pages to a Web of applications, hence a cultural shift in the way people do things on the web.
I say “increasingly” a lot because its just a marketing term to describe the post-dotcom-crash shift towards democratising complex web applications.
Vincent Maher 6:45 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
HA HA SNAP
Vincent Maher 6:46 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
I guess I get points for brevity then hey guys LOL
Mark 6:47 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
Carte Blanche has been in free-fall for ages. Remember a while back they practically endorsed Danie Krugel’s people finder?. Then they made a sensational and inaccurate report about Nuclear power? They really are terrible journalists. p.s. your site is doing strange things… it keeps loading from widgets.clearspring.com in a never ending loop… causes my browser to slow down to a crawl.
Fokjulle 6:47 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
Fair enough. But now, after reading that, I wonder how much of it Carte Blanche viewers will understand.
Vincent Maher 6:52 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
Fokjulle, this is Justin’s point, rather just say its about the web, IM and blogging. Using Web 2 in this context was a little inappropriate, but who cares actually. If people watch TV for information then there is a bigger problem than whether or not they get the subtleties of Web 2.
Wezz 6:56 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
@Fokjulle web2.0 – interaction, social media etc vs. web1.0 static one way info. I think most would be able to grasp that.
thakadu 7:00 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
I think Justin and Vince’s replies illustrate why I am not a blogger and they are
Well done guys, if I had known you were typing I could have saved myself some time and had an extra cup of coffee!
Nic 8:09 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
Wow dudes. Crazy times. This has really become a pretty intense. I really appreciate all of you putting in your views on what web 2.0 is! I really didn’t have the energy. It’s been a very, very long day.
Fokjulle, hope that’s what you were looking for?
Chris M 8:15 pm on March 3, 2008 Permalink
Nic – I totally agree with you, they did a pretty rubbish job and didn’t really capture anything! Props Rafiq and Dave for representing, but fsck me, could Carte Blanche not have been a little more accurate. Seeing Rafiq organising his dating schedule on mxit in bed really didn’t tell us much
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Amazed 1:34 am on March 20, 2008 Permalink
Isnt it amazing how everyone looks right past the good points that came out in the show? Its no wonder most of the SA companies are so stone age and are rapidly going downhill! O well you snooze you loose.
Anyone who watched this show and totally missed the important pointers and who said WTF at the end, fell off the WEB1.0 bus along time ago, don’t fool yourself you never even made the 2.0 bus, just lay still guys you seem to have a severe case of internet lessness, Nashua Mobile maybe able to help you..
Sean 7:46 pm on July 13, 2008 Permalink
I am not sure about the weight or relevance of Nic’s comments. The insert could be criticized, however, for the use of jargon by Jon Webb and quoting statistics for the US and making general conclusions for SA. Carte Blanche is a tabloid show, but this insert from what I saw while in SA or on the web, this is not as bad as Nic makes it out to be.